184694. Frederick Tilney & 184695.
Elizabeth Cheney & 950662. Sir John Saye
~1418, Frederick born in Lincoln, England, heir & s/o 369388. Philip Tilney & 369389. Isabel
Thorp.
~1420, John Say born in England, s/o §§John
Say & Maud ?. [Educated as a lawyer.]
4/1422, Elizabeth born in Fen Ditton, Cambridgeshire, England,
d/o 369390. Laurence Cheney &
369391. Elizabeth Cokayne.
8/31/1422, Henry VI (an infant) succeeded Henry V as King of
England.
1438, Frederick, Sheriff of Boston, Lincolnshire [his father
the Sheriff of Lincolnshire.]
[––Frederick & Elizabeth––]
By 2/10/1442, Frederick married Elizabeth.
2/10/1442 at Thetford, Deed poll, demise. 1) Margaret (738777),
late wife of Frederic, s. of Philip Tylney, kt. … 2) Frederic, s. of Philip
Tylney, clerk, and wife Eliz., d. of Laurence Cheyne, esq. … (1) to (2) and
heirs of bodies manor of Thetford in Isle of Ely with premises there and in
Streteham, Ely and Litelporte. Reversion to Philip Tylney, clerk. (S) UKNA.
2/16/1443, “Gift, Frederick son of Philip Tilney, clerk, and
Elizabeth his wife, daughter of Lawrence Cheyne esq. grant and warrant to
Lawrence Cheyne, … the manor of Thetford, with all lands in Stretham, Ely,
Lilelport and Berwey.” (S) UKNA.
1443-44, John Say, under the patronage of William de la
Pole, Duke of Suffock.
2/19/1444, John paid an advance of £21 and 5s a day to
accompany the embassy of Suffolk to negotiate the marriage of Henry VI and
Margaret of Anjou in Harfleur.
10/6/1444, John, ‘the king’s Sergeant’, receiving £10
yearly, also got a promise of a grant for life of the office of Coroner of the
Marshalsea of Household when its holder died. (S) CCRs, 10/21/1444.
3/8/1445, John granted for life the keeping of the privy
palace of Westminster.
11/4/1445, John appointed royal escheator in Cambridgshire
and Huntingdonshire. (S) CFRs.
By 1446, Frederick died before his father; buried at
Ashwellthorp, Norfolk.
11/4/1446, John appointed royal escheator in Norfolk and
Suffolk. (S) CFRs.
[––John &
Elizabeth––]
12/1/1446, Elizabeth married 2nd Sir John Say; of
Baas in Broxbourne, Little Berkhampstead, and Sawbridge, Herts.
2/3/1447, John a member of Parliament as a Burgess for
Cambridge.
2/21/1447, By royal patent, John given wardship and marriage
of his step-daughter Elizabeth.
2/25/1447, John give a grant for life of the manor of
Lawford.
2/17/1448, John granted by the king a cup of silver and gilt
from the jewel house.
1449, John, Speaker of the House of Commons, representing
Cambridgeshire. (S) Parliament Rolls, 2005, 4/30/1463.
4/3/1449, John an Esquire to the Body of King Henry VI
granted an annuity for life of 50 marks.
12/20/1449, John Say, esquire, appointed sheriff of Norfolk
and Suffolk. (S) CFRs.
1450, John made Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster.
3/1450, John sat on commissions inquiring into treasons in
London, Hampshire and Northants.
12/16/1450, John (and about 20 others) accused of
“misbehaving about your royal person.”
4/11/1451, “Indenture, marriage settlement. 1) John
Bourgchier, kt. 2) John Say esqs. Laurence Cheyne esqs. Humfrey, s. of (1) to
espouse Eliz., d. of Frederyk Tylney, esq., "that is to God passed",
she being ward of J.S., before next All Saints. (1) to settle on them and heirs
male premises worth £40 p.a. Until Michaelmas J.S. to take any profits of
premises due to Eliz. by death of Dame Joan Clyfton, except any premises held
from Wm. Hardolph. If Humfrey die before Eliz. 14 yrs., she is to marry next
son, or in default to be returned unmarried with any property. (2) to pay (1)
£500 as specified and are bound to (1) in 1000 marks.” (S) UKNA.
1453-56, 1463-65, 1467, 1472-75, 1478, John represented
Hertfordshire in Parilament.
4/15/1454, John made a member of the Royal Council with a
fee of £40 a year.
5/21/1455, John with the King at Kilburn the day before the
battle at St Albans.
5/22/1455, 1st battle of St. Albans, Hertfordshire,
considered the 1st battle of the 30-year War of the Roses. Yorkists against an
army of King Henry VI [who was captured]. The Duke of Somerset, the Earl of
Northumberland, Lord Clifford, plus about 50 other notable Lancastrians, were
killed in the fighting.
1455-56, John the Under-Treasurer of the Exchequer.
1456-57, “… to John Say and Elizabeth his wife, Laurence
Cheyne, John Leventhorp, John cheyne, and Ralph Grey, of land in westfeld in
the parish of Brokesborne …”. (S) UKNA.
6/28/1461, Edward IV succeeded Henry VI as King of England. [1st
Yorkist King, after King Henry VI captured at the Battle of Northampton.]
1461-64, John Under-Treasurer of the Exchequer.
4/30/1463, John, Speaker of the House of Commons. (S)
Parliament Rolls, 2005. [‘The ideal choice to take control of an assembly whose
main purpose, as far as the king was concerned, was to supply him with money
for his planned campaign against the Lancastrians in the north and their
Scottish allies.’]
5/23/1465, John knighted and created a Knight of the Bath
[along with 49 other knights.]
5/26/1465, John a member of the entourage for Elizabeth
Wydeville as she was crowned Queen at Westminster.
1466-67, “Thomas Mountgomery, knight, Henry Belknap,
esquire, … to John Say, knight : …”. (S) UKNA.
1467, John, Speaker of the House of Commons. [John unique as
being the Speaker in both Lancastrian and Yorkist parliaments.]
10/3/1470, Henry VI regained the throne of England. [Earl of
Warwick & Duke of Clarance effectively ruling.]
5/11/1471, Edward IV regained the crown after the Battle of
Tewkesbury.
1472, John represented Tavistock, Devonshire in Parliament.
9/25/1473, Elizabeth died, buried at Boxbourne,
Hertfordshire. [Elizabeth the ggm of Anne Boleyn, Jane Seymour, and Catherine
Howard, 3 of the wives of King Henry VIII.]
[––John––]
Bef. 10/9/1474, John married 2nd Agnes Danvers,
widow of Thomas Baldington. [No children.]
10/9/1474, John Brodgore of Much Wenden co. Essex, to Sir
John Say and Agnes his wife, … of a mese called 'Bolys Sett' in the parishes of
Much Wenden, Little Wenden and Neuport co. Essex. (S) CCRs.
4/29/1476, John, wife Agnes, late wife Elizabeth, and his
children granted letters of confraternity by the Abbot and Convent of St
Albans.
1475-78, John Under-Treasurer of the Exchequer.
4/10/1478, John wrote his will. (S) UKNA.
4/12/1478, John died; buried at Boxbourne with Elizabeth.
6/11/1478, Agnes wrote her will.
(S) Fifty Ancestors of Henry Lincoln Clapp, 1902, P73. (S)
Magna Carta Ancestry, P190. (S) History and Antiquities of Boston, Thompson,
1856, P373. (S) Visitation of Norfolk. (S) Parliament and politics in medieval
England, V2, Roskell, 1981, P153. (S) Hist. of Norfolk, V9, 1808, Massingham
Parva.
Family notes:
·
John Say’s parentage is unknown, but it known
that he was the brother of William Say, Archdeacon of Northamptonshire
[1464-67]. 1468, William died as a dean of St. Pauls, London.
Children of
Frederick and Elizabeth:
i. Elizabeth Tilney (92347), born 1442 in England. [Heir]
Children of John
and Elizabeth: [3 sons, 4 daughters named in his will.]
i. William Saye, born ? in England. [Heir]
ii. Anne Saye (475331), born ~1450 in England.
iii. Elizabeth Saye, born ? in England.
Elizabeth married Thomas Sampson.
By 2/20/1484, Both Thomas and Elizabeth deceased.
iv. Thomas Say, born ? in England.
Thomas married Joan ?.
2/20/1484, Licence, … for Thomas Say [Joan his wife], son of
John Say, knight, deceased, … successive remainders to William Say, knight, son
and heir of the said John, … Leonard Say, son of the said John … Anne the wife
of Henry Wentworth, knight, one of the daughters of the said John, the heirs of
Elizabeth late the wife of Thomas Sampson, both deceased, another of the
daughters of the said John, Katherine the wife of Thomas Bassyngburne, the
third daughter, and Mary the wife of Philip Calthorpe, the fourth daughter. (S)
CPRs.
v. Leonard Say, born ? in England.
vi. Katherine Saye, born ? in England.
Katherine married Thomas
Bassingbourne of Hatfield Woodhall, Hertsfordshire.
vii. Mary Saye, born ? in England.
Mary married Sir Philip Calthorpe of Kerdiaton, Norfolk.
1521, Sir Philip, Chamberlain to Princess Mary.
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