42. Joseph A Morin & 43. Marie Louisa Christian Ladner [Can, MS]
1739, Joseph born in St. Pierre du-Sud, Québec, Canada; s/o 84. Denis Morin and 85. Marie Madeleine Boulay. (S) Love’s legacy, P365. (S) Creole Mobile, P54.
1755, the British began the Acadian exile of Canada. [Records of Joseph with his parents, aunts, uncles or cousins have not been found; other than the identification of his parents in his marriage record. Family lore says he left Quebec at an early age, before he would have appeared in baptismal records of his nieces and nephews, to serve in the military against the Indians.]
10/30/1760, Marie born on Cat Island, MS; d/o 86. Nicholas Christian Ladner and 87. Marie Magdelaine Paquet. (S) Love’s Legacy, P365. (S) No. 86 Family notes.
10/31/1761, christening of Marie in New Orleans. (S) No. 86 Family notes.
6/2/1778, Joseph married Marie in MobCo., AL. “In the year 1778, June 2nd, after the publication of the banns, having giving dispensation to two of five legitimate reasons, and having no impediments, canonical or civil, we have solemnly joined in legitimate marriage Joseph Morin, legitimate and natural son of the deceased Denis Morin and the deceased Dame Magdelaine Boule’s father and mother, with Mademoiselle Louisa Christian, legitimate and natural daughter of Nicolas Christian and Dame Marie Ann Madgelaine, her father and mother, all habitants of the present Parish. Witnesses: Joseph Maligne, Louise Morataux, Jean Faber, all signed with us, except the bride who said she could not. In faith we sign.” /s/ Fr. Paul, Cap. Mis. (S) CIC, MB1, P51. (S) Creole Mobile, P54. Married at age 23 on 6/2/1778, Marie would have been 5 months pregnant with Joseph who was born 11/6/1778.
3/14/1780 Galvez captured Mobile.
1785, Joseph a resident of Pascagoula. (S) Creole Mobile, P54.
11/20/1785, “Maria Josefa Moren born ? 14, 1782, baptized November 20, 1785 daughter of Josef Moren and Luisa Paque. Sponsors Nicholas Christian and Maria Josefa christened by Fr. Josef de Perez.” (S) SLC, BB1, P392, A226. [Portions of this record are obliterated by age and deterioration.]
11/20/1785: “In this Parochial Church of New Orleans on the twentieth day of the month of November of the year 1785, I, the undersigned assistant Cure of the said Parish, supplied the sacred ceremonies of baptism according to the rites of the Holy Mother church to an infant boy who is of the color white, born on the 17th day of November this past year, and who has been given the name Pedro, legitimate son of Josef Morin and of Luisa Paqui. And standing godparents Luis Juan Galabat and Maria Juana Laforain and in evidence I have signed the above day, month and year as given.” /s/ Fr. Josef de Xeres. (S) SLC, BB1 (1777-1786), P397, A1227.
(S) 1786 Spanish Census of Mobile. Ages 39 & 24, 2 freed slaves, 4 children.
(S) 1/1/1787 “Favrot Census” of Mobile, Bay St. Louis & Pascagoula. Joseph Morin 41, wife 26, 3 children, free mulatto Augustin, free black Mani Ruiz.
4/30/1791, Jose Morin, his wife, 2 free blacks named Jose Lucer and Jose Mirer, on Cat island. (S) Miro Spanish Census of MS gulf coast.
4/22/1801, “On April 22, 1801, I, Don Francisco Vaugeois, priest of the parish church of Our Lady of the Conception of Mobile administered the holy ceremonies of baptism to the following: to Francisco, twelve years old; to Louisa, ten years old; to Helena, eight years old; and to Juan, six years old, all baptized at the same time. They are the legitimate children of Joseph Morin, native of Canada and of Luisa Ladner, native of this parish. Paternal grandparents are Denis Morin and Maria Magdalena Bouley. Maternal grandparents are Nicolas Ladner and Mariana Paquet, in whose home on Cat Island the ceremonies took place.” (S) Mobile ICC, BB2, P77a.
4/27/1801 Joseph witnessed the wedding of Joseph Ladner122, Marie’s brother. (S) No. 122 Family notes.
1802, Joseph was an interpreter at the Treaty of Poindexter and Dancing Rabbit. (S) Family notes.
Bef. 11/25/1805, Joseph died in Bay St. Louis, HancCo., MS. (S) Pierre’s wedding.
11/25/1805 Louisa attended Pierre’s wedding in Pass Christian. (S) Family notes.
Family notes:
• “Today the 25th, on Monday, of November, the year 1805, I Mr. Juan Francisco Vaugeois, the Parochial Priest of the Church of Our Lady of Conception of Mobile, visiting Pass Christian and having because of a lack of time special permit of His Excellency Bishop of this province, dispensing with the three … a true marriage, the following: Pedro Morin, legitimate child of the deceased Jose and of Luisa Ladner, and to Judith Nicaise, legitimate child of Marcial and of Luisa Fizot [should read Ladner], both natives of this parish, with the consent of their parents and in the presence of the witnesses Mr. Felipe Saucier and Mr. Felipe Chesne, …”. /s/ Juan Francisco Vaugeois. (S) CIC, MB1, P103b.
• 1/7/1807, “… Gilberto Christiano, native of this city, legitimate son of Juan Baptista Christiano and Francisca Fayard and Pupona Desideria Luisa legitimate daughter of Joseph Moring and Louisa Ladner in the presence of witnesses, Don Alexo LeSasier, Carlos Favre, Ygnacio de Flores and Maria Luisa Christianne, aunt of the contracting, and in faith I have signed.” /s/ Fr. Antonio de Sedella. (S) SLC, MB3, P11b, A32.
• (S) Book, Dale Greenwell: All three of the Moran Brothers came from Canada in 1780’s or 1790’s. Joseph settled in Biloxi, he was an interpreter during the Indian Treaties (Treaty of Poindexter and Dancing Rabbit in 1802), where he met and married Noahtimah, an Indian Princess, d/o Opaha. Noahtimah and Joseph Moran’s children were Joseph, Francois, Virginia, Jean Baptiste and Delphine. [There appears to be no support for the marriage to Noatimah. Louisa was still alive, and its unlikely he had 5 children in the 3+ years from 1802 until his death in 1805.]
Children of Joseph and Marie:
i. Josef Moran II, born 11/6/1778 on Deer Island, MS.
10/7/1806 in New Orleans, LA, he married Marguerite Panquinette, d/o wife of Claude Ladner86vi. (S) SLC, MB3, P9a, A26.
3/31/1808 Joseph appeared before Lt. Pellerin to give testimony about the property losses of 5 hogs and 2 cattle on Cat Island to American gunboats. (S) MCH&GS, V37, 2001, P23.
1814, they lived at the Old Chimneys property. (S) 1814 HancCo. Tax Roll, Microfilm, USM Libr., Hattisburg.
(S) 1820 Census, MS, HancCo. b: 1774-1794.
1825–1830 Joseph died;
(S) 1830 Census, MS, HancCo. Marguerite, born 1780¬–1790, lives with her son Joseph and other children.
(S) 1840 Census, MS, HancCo. Marguerite and 2 males, 10–15 unknown, and 15–20 probably Francois, lives next to married son Joseph.
1842, Joseph sold 46 acres to his son-in-law Pierre Harvey.
10/25/1843, Claude Ladner86vi sold land on the gulf to Widow Marguerite Moran. She is related by marriage as d/o Claude’s wife’s 1st husband. (S) HarrCo., DB7, P443.
9/7/1850, (S) 1850 Census, MS, HarrCo. “Mrs Joe Moran”, born 1780, has son Francis and multiple probably related family members living with her, including one deaf & dumb child.
1850–1860 Marie died in Biloxi.
Children:
Joseph Moran III, born 1809. (S) SLC, BB6, P136b.
2/20/1840 he married Virginia Fayard, born 3/26/1814, d/o Louise Nicaise, d/o Jean194iv. (S) SLC, MB8, P104. She died 1842–1850.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HarrCo. He is a widower with 6 children at home.
1850–1853 he married 2nd Coralie “Caroline” Ladner122iv. [See Coralie for census data].
Aft. 1880 he died.
Children:
Delphine Moran, born 1840, married Ben Seaman.
Joseph Moran IV, born 2/14/1841, died 6/28/1914, buried in Old Moran Cem.
Celeste Zelina Moran, born ~1812. (S) SLC, BB8, P105, A547.
2/20/1840 she married Pierre Harvey, born 1813 in France. (S) SLC, MB8, P103.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HarrCo. Celina has 4 children; Jules Gorloche, 11 lives with them.
9/21/1883, Celestine died in Biloxi. (S) NBVM, B2, P198, A1059.
9/30/1893, Pierre died.
Clair Marguerite Moran, born 1813. (S) SLC, BB8, P105, A548.
~1834 she married Augustin Celestin Ladnier122vii. [For children see Augustin].
Bef. 1840 she died – Augustin is a widower.
Victoria Moran, born 1815.
She 1st married Jean Baptiste Ladnier, s/o Dominique40i.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HarrCo. A widow, she has one son Emile.
She 2nd married Caleb Burton, born 1829 in MS. [Divorced 3/12/1879].
(S) 1860 Census, MS, HarrCo. Her son Emile lives with them.
Marie Moran, born ~1818 in MS.
3/1/1841 she formally married Andrew Fournier III46ii. (S) SLC, MB8, P102.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, JaxCo. [For children see Andrew].
Bef. 1/1855 Marie died.
Virginia Moran, born 9/4/1820.
~1839 she married James Smith Young, born 3/31/1818 in NJ, died 1897.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HarrCo. 4 children including twin boys.
1/7/1891 she died. Both buried in Moran Cem., North Biloxi.
Francois Moran, born 1820–1825. [1830 & 1840 Census].
9/19/1854 he married Isabel Catherine Fournier46vii. (S) HarrCo. MB3, P41.
[For census data and children see Catherine].
6/6/1887 he died in Biloxi, buried in Old Biloxi Cem., S-F, Lot21. (S) NBVM, B2, P152, A1097.
ii. Nanette Morin, born 11/19/1779 in Biloxi, MS;
1780 Nanette died as an infant.
iii. Marie Juana Morin, born 10/20/1780.
Marie married Jean Ladnier. [>45 in 1820 Census – unidentified.]
(S) 1820 Census, MS, HancCo. f:26<45; 2 males <10; 4 girls <10.
8/21/1850, (S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo., Shieldsboro. “Jayue” Ladnier, born 1774 in N.O., LA lives with the family of Alphonse & Louise Fayard.
1859 Marie died in Bay St. Louis, HancCo., MS.
iv. Maria Josefa Morin ( 21), born ?/14/1782.
v. Pelagie Morin, born 11/18/1783.
5/5/1801, living in Biloxi, she married her 2nd cousin, Jean Baptiste Carcaux90ii. (S) CIC, MB1, P92.
[See Jean for more info.].
vi. Pierre Morin, born 11/17/1784 in New Orleans, LA.
11/20/1785, Pedro baptized. (S) Family notes.
11/25/1805, in Pass Christian, MS, he married Judith Nicaise, d/o Jean194iv. (S) Family notes.
2/28/1805, Phillip Saucier sent a letter to the Spanish Governor about an incident with an American Corsair boat, and the subsequent killing of animals of Pedro Morin on Cat Island. (S) LMVDP, Inglis.
11/17/1805, Pierre, while traveling to Deer Island, witnessed a battle between the Spanish schooner Luisiana and an English corsair.
9/1808–10/1809 Pierre helped Don Nicholas de Finiels, an engineer, to survey the MS coastal area. (S) LSU Libr., Pintado Papers, Bk. J, P122-3.
(S) 1830 Census, MS, HancCo. “Sr.”; relatives at their home: 4 males, 3 females. He has 2 slaves.
(S) 1840 Census, MS, HancCo. Peter “Morain” Sr., 60–70, lives near his sons Peter Jr & John & Lucien, and daughters Felicitie & Pauline. Judith is 40–50. He has 5 slaves.
~1845 Pierre died in HancCo., MS.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo. “Judique”, 60, lives alone next to her daughter Pauline.
Children:
Pierre Peter Morin Jr, born 8/8/1806 in Bay St Louis, HancCo., MS.
~1825 he married Marie “Corastie” Nicaise, d/o Jean, s/o Joseph194v.
(S) 1830 Census, MS, HancCo. Married, wife born 1800–1810, 1 daughter <5.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo. 10 children.
Félicité Morin, born 5/1/1808 on Deer Island, MS; died 8/20/1890 in HancCo., MS.
She married Francois Quevas, s/o Marie Ladner86ix.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo. 10 children, 2 sets of twins.
8/20/1890 she died. Buried in Rotten Bayou Cem. with Francois.
Pauline Morin, born 6/02/1810 in HancCo., MS; died in HancCo., MS.
3/31/1841, she married Sylvain Ladner Jr, born 1/6/1808, died 1885, s/o Sylvan, s/o Jean Jr, s/o Jean160i. (S) SLC, MB8, A98.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo. 7 children.
Lucien Morin, born 1812 in HarrCo., MS.
1/21/1840 he married Henriette Nicaise, born 1/3/1815, d/o Jean, s/o Joseph194v. (S) SLC, MB8, A99.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HarrCo. 6 children; lives next to Edward.
3/1/1859 he married Josephine Ladner, born 1841.
Jean “John” Morin, born 1816 in HarrCo., MS.
1/21/1840 he married 1st Adele Ladner, d/o Helen Cuevas, d/o Marie86ix, born 11/2/1821, died 6/8/1851, buried in Rotten Bayou Cem.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo., Jourdan River. 6 children, lives next to Celest & Marie.
Edward Morin, born 1820 in HarrCo., MS; died in HarrCo., MS.
1841 he married Celestine Ladner, born 6/6/1825.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HarrCo. 6 children; lives next to Lucien.
Marie Severine Morin, born 1822 in MS; died 1842.
She married Alfred Williams, born 1822 in LA.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo. 3 children; they live near Felicity.
Victor Morin, born 1824 in HancCo., MS.
1844 he married Mary Nicaise, born 1823, d/o Charles, s/o Joseph194v.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo. 7 children.
Celestine Morin, born 1826; died 1880.
She married George Washington Ellis, born 11/27/1815 in LA.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo., Jourdan River. 3 children; living next to Marie & Jean.
Marie Irma Morin, born 1828 in MS.
She married Joseph DuBuisson, born 7/7/1822, s/o Louise Nicaise, d/o Joseph194v.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo., Jourdan River. 1 child; living next to Celestine & Jean.
Honorine Lemuel Morin, born 1830 in MS; died 1858 in HancCo., MS.
She married Charles Carlos Ladner, born 10/14/1819, died 3/27/1880, s/o Carlos, s/o Jean Jr., s/o Jean160i. Carlos is buried in the Col. John Bond Cem. in Stone Co., MS.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo., Habolochitto. His job is “Telegraph watch”; 4 children.
vii. Francoise Morin, born 1789 in LA.
4/22/1801 baptized on Cat Island. (S) Family notes.
Francoise married Mary ?, born ~1798.
(S) 1820 Census, LA, St. Landry Parish. b: 1794-1804.
(S) 1830 Census, LA, St. Landry Parish, Grand Coteau. b: 1800-1810.
(S) 1840 Census, LA, St. Landry Parish, Grand Coteau. b: 1790-1800.
12/20/1850, (S) 1850 Census, LA, Lafourche Parish, Bayou Lafourche. He is a farmer whose real estate is valued at $1500. b: 1790.
viii. Pupona Louise Desideria Morin, born 1791 in Bay St. Louis, HancCo., MS.
(S) Creole Mobile, P54.
4/22/1801 baptized on Cat Island. (S) Family notes.
1/7/1807, Pupona married Gilbert Ladnier, s/o Jean Ladnier Jr, s/o Jean160i. (S) Family notes.
(S) 1820 Census, MS, HancCo. She lives next to her sisters Helene & Maria.
(S) 1830 Census, MS, HancCo. 7 sons & 3 daughters, Polite & Mary not yet born.
(S) 1840 Census, MS, HancCo. n: “Gil Blas”. 1 daughter at home 10–15; Polite not listed, she must have taken the younger children off for a visit to relatives.
(S) 1841 MS Census, HancCo. n: “Gil Blas”.
(S) 1845 MS Census, HancCo. n: “Gil Blas”.
Bef. 1850 Gilbert died.
10/28/1850, (S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo., Habolochitto. Children Polite & Joseph live with Louise.
Children:
Rosalie Ladnier, born 10/11/1808.
Martha Ladnier, born 8/2/1809.
Cecile Ladnier, born 9/2/1811.
She married Charles Nicaise, s/o Jean194iv.
Albert Ladnier, born 9/18/1813.
1830–1840 he probably died; not found in 1840 or 1850 census. [Or the name is wrong.]
Guillaume Victor Ladnier Sr, born 1/11/1816 in HancCo., MS.
~1836 he married Morine ?, born 1817 in HancCo., MS.
(S) 1850 Census, HancCo., Shieldsboro. 5 children.
Narcissa Simon Ladnier, born 12/3/1817.
He married Adaline ?, born 1825 in MS.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo., Habolochitto. Lives next to Louisa and near other family members; 4 children, but 2 may be either adopted, or are younger siblings not listed.
Moses Ladnier, born 1820.
He married Mary ?, born 1827 in MS.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo., Habolochitto. 2 children; lives near his mother.
Claire Ladnier, born 1822.
1830–1840 he probably died; not found in 1840 or 1850 census. [Or the name is wrong.]
Gilbert Ladnier, born 1823.
~1844 he married Polly ?, born 1824 in MS.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo., Jourdan River. Lives next to Leon; 2 children.
Clementine “Leon” Ladnier, born 8/28/1825.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo., Jourdan River. Single, lives next to Gilbert.
Joseph Ladnier, born 5/21/1828. (S) 1850 Census.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo., Habolochitto. He lives with his mother.
Polite Ladnier, born 3/5/1830 in HancCo., MS.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo., Habolochitto. She lives with her mother.
Mary Louise Ladnier, born 1832.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo., Habolochitto. Unmarried, she lives near her mother and appears to have an infant child.
ix. Helene Morin, born 1793.
4/22/1801 baptized on Cat Island. (S) Family notes.
1817, she married Basile Ladner s/o Jean Ladnier Jr, s/o Jean160i. (S) Creole Mobile, P40.
(S) 1820 Census, MS, HancCo. n: “Basel”. b:1776–1794. 2m:<10, 1f<10, 1f:16–26.
(S) 1830 Census, MS, HancCo. n: “Bazile”
(S) 1840 Census, MS, HancCo. n: “Brazile”. Helen lives next to her sisters Louise & Maria.
(S) 1841 MS Census, HancCo. . n: “Brazile”
(S) 1845 MS Census, HancCo. . n: “Brazile”
5/22/1850 Basile wrote his will naming his wife “Helen Ladner”. (S) L.O., P39.
10/20/1850, (S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo. He is a farmer with real estate valued at $150. Helen goes by “Eleanor”.
7/3/1851 Basile applied for War of 1812 bounty land. (S) L.O., P39.
(S) 1853 MS Census, HancCo. n: “Brazils Sr”
1856, Basile died in HancCo., MS. (S) L.O., P39.
Children:
Basile Ladnier Jr, born 5/28/1814.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo. Not married, he boards with a family next to Antoine.
Monique Ladnier, born 5/4/1816.
Antoine Ladnier, born ~1820 in MS. [See 1820 census.]
He married Mary ?, born 1829 in MS.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo. 2 children.
CSA: 3/4/1860, Private, AL Coast Guard Volunteers, disbanded in 1861.
Marie Antoinette Ladnier, born 1822.
Rosalie Ladnier, born 1825.
John Ladnier, born 1828.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo. He lives with his parents.
Victoria Ladnier, born 1830.
Estelle Ladnier, born 1832.
(S) 1850 Census, MS, HancCo. She lives with her parents.
x. Jean Morin, born 1795.
4/22/1801 baptized on Cat Island. (S) Family notes.
(S) 1830 Census, LA, Orleans Parish, South of New Orleans. n: “Maurine”. b: 1790-1800.
